{"id":115869,"date":"2025-04-21T10:03:05","date_gmt":"2025-04-21T18:03:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/2025\/04\/21\/maybe-dont-both-sides-disappearing-people-to-foreign-gulags-ok\/"},"modified":"2025-04-21T10:03:05","modified_gmt":"2025-04-21T18:03:05","slug":"maybe-dont-both-sides-disappearing-people-to-foreign-gulags-ok","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/2025\/04\/21\/maybe-dont-both-sides-disappearing-people-to-foreign-gulags-ok\/","title":{"rendered":"Maybe Don\u2019t \u2018Both Sides\u2019 Disappearing People To Foreign Gulags, OK?"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignright size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"724\" height=\"483\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/abovethelaw.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2025\/04\/GettyImages-830588220.jpg?resize=724%2C483&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1157571\" title=\"\"><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Every so often, someone pings the tipster line and asks some variant of, \u201cWhy aren\u2019t you more bipartisan?\u201d Many times this is couched in a stream of expletives. Often it\u2019s technically addressed to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thenation.com\/article\/archive\/mystal-klippenstein-nation-magazine\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">a guy that hasn\u2019t worked here since before the pandemic<\/a>. I don\u2019t know if these people just don\u2019t know that Elie Mystal left or if they find addressing their remarks to him provides a better hook for the racial slurs they want to drop.<\/p>\n<p>In any event, even the comparably polite versions of this query are always delivered from anonymous burner accounts so there\u2019s not even an opportunity to engage in an honest dialogue. Assuming that\u2019s something they would welcome anyway. So let\u2019s deal with this criticism here: why does Above the Law in 2025 mostly render scorn on the Trump administration and its Federalist Society minions?<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s a lot to be said, but the short version is that \u2014 as writers and lawyers \u2014 we have dual ethical hangups about stopping mid-article to say, \u201cBut on the other hand, consider the upsides of disappearing citizens into foreign slave camps\u2026.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The Onion, as usual, best captures the \u201cdebate\u201d these people want \u2014 <a href=\"https:\/\/theonion.com\/historians-quibbling-over-exact-definition-of-concentration-camp-sign-of-healthy-society\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Historians: Quibbling Over Exact Definition Of Concentration Camp Sign Of Healthy Society<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>As I often quote, Hunter S. Thompson said everything that needed to be said on the subject of objective journalism: \u201cDon\u2019t bother to look for it here\u2014not under any byline of mine.\u201d It\u2019s not \u201cneutrality,\u201d it\u2019s an invitation for bad actors to launder talking points under the guise of \u201cbalance.\u201d Our job is to tell it as it is based on what we\u2019ve learned, not give audiences competing press releases about what reality might be. And as lawyers we have obligations not to <em>facilitate or effectuate<\/em> efforts to undermine the rule of law. If a law school professor wouldn\u2019t have entertained this shit on a final exam, why should we platform it in a news cycle?<\/p>\n<p>That might be a lot of high-minded principled talk for an author who also writes about <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/bringing-new-meaning-to-solo-practitioner-attorney-warned-after-streaming-60-hours-of-porn-at-work\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">lawyers streaming porn in their offices<\/a>, but I\u2019d rather be <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2020\/06\/is-this-attorney-naked-during-a-criminal-hearing\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">making fun of lawyers going to hearings naked<\/a> while grounded in these principles than being so <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/biglaw-is-under-attack-heres-what-the-firms-are-doing-about-it\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">adrift from any core value<\/a> that I\u2019d turn my pro bono practice over to the <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/pray-i-dont-alter-it-any-further-what-darth-vader-should-teach-law-firms-about-settling-with-trump\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">ever-one-upping whims<\/a> of a tinpot dictator.<\/p>\n<p>Look, when I started writing for Above the Law, there\u2019s an argument that the two most thoroughly and reliably right-wing judges in the federal judiciary were the Fourth Circuit\u2019s J. Harvie Wilkinson III and J. Michael Luttig.<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday, <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/fourth-circuit-to-doj-bro-do-you-even-law\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Wilkinson threw a Molotov cocktail on the Trump administration\u2019s deportation regime<\/a>, not even waiting for the plaintiff to file papers before dropping a withering broadside against the head of the party that appointed him.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Judge Wilkinson was the judge who saw no problem holding enemy combatants indefinitely without access to lawyers or judicial review \u2014 a ruling that Scalia and Rehnquist both considered wild executive overreach. The same guy wants to make it very clear that Trump\u2019s policy shocks \u201cthe intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Luttig has gone even further! A judge who mentored a generation of hardline conservative clerks \u2014 including Solicitors General in both Trump administrations and <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2022\/06\/everyone-thought-john-eastman-was-crazy-and-just-kind-of-let-him-do-it-anyway\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">coup-coup-ca-choo lawyer John Eastman<\/a> \u2014 is now a go-to expert for the #resistance. He said <em>this week<\/em>: \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/conservative-judge-doesnt-pull-punches\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">The President of the United States of America is at war with the Constitution and the rule of law<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Those were the furthest right-wing judges I could think of back in the day!<\/p>\n<p>And it\u2019s not just the judiciary. David Brooks is out here <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/04\/17\/opinion\/trump-harvard-law-firms.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">citing the Communist Manifesto<\/a> and floating a mass uprising! Paul Clement is <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/03\/wilmerhale-strikes-back-with-paul-clement-lawsuit-over-retaliatory-trump-order\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">defending law firms against Trump\u2019s authoritarian demands<\/a>. The <em>National Review<\/em> \u2014 THE NATIONAL FRIGGIN\u2019 REVIEW \u2014 is writing \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nationalreview.com\/carnival-of-fools\/trump-tests-the-true-limits-of-presidential-power\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">A test of the rule of law is coming. It is not enough to write about this phenomenon with clinical detachment; it must be opposed<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>George W. Bush\u2019s strongest warriors are talking tougher about stopping Trump than Chuck Schumer. The same folks who gave us Gitmo and WMD scavenger hunts are now the last line of defense for <em>habeas corpus<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s your bipartisanship. That\u2019s the \u201cboth sides\u201d right now. They just happen to be all lined up against the same guy. If you\u2019re still out here asking me to present \u201cthe other side,\u201d you\u2019re not interested in hearing from the intellectual opposition, you just want a platform for a paranoid, extralegal clown show careening toward despotism. <\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong><em><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright  wp-image-443318\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/abovethelaw.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/Headshot-300x200.jpg?resize=188%2C125&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Headshot\" width=\"188\" height=\"125\" title=\"\"><a href=\"http:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/author\/joe-patrice\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Joe Patrice<\/a>\u00a0is a senior editor at Above the Law and co-host of <a href=\"http:\/\/legaltalknetwork.com\/podcasts\/thinking-like-a-lawyer\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Thinking Like A Lawyer<\/a>. Feel free to\u00a0<a href=\"mailto:joepatrice@abovethelaw.com\">email<\/a> any tips, questions, or comments. Follow him on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/josephpatrice\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Twitter<\/a>\u00a0or <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/joepatrice.bsky.social\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Bluesky<\/a> if you\u2019re interested in law, politics, and a healthy dose of college sports news. Joe also serves as a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rpnexecsearch.com\/josephpatrice\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Managing Director at RPN Executive Search<\/a>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The post <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/both-sides-trump-disappearing-people-to-foreign-gulags-due-process\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Maybe Don\u2019t \u2018Both Sides\u2019 Disappearing People To Foreign Gulags, OK?<\/a> appeared first on <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Above the Law<\/a>.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignright size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"724\" height=\"483\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/abovethelaw.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2025\/04\/GettyImages-830588220.jpg?resize=724%2C483&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1157571\" title=\"\"><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Every so often, someone pings the tipster line and asks some variant of, \u201cWhy aren\u2019t you more bipartisan?\u201d Many times this is couched in a stream of expletives. Often it\u2019s technically addressed to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thenation.com\/article\/archive\/mystal-klippenstein-nation-magazine\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">a guy that hasn\u2019t worked here since before the pandemic<\/a>. I don\u2019t know if these people just don\u2019t know that Elie Mystal left or if they find addressing their remarks to him provides a better hook for the racial slurs they want to drop.<\/p>\n<p>In any event, even the comparably polite versions of this query are always delivered from anonymous burner accounts so there\u2019s not even an opportunity to engage in an honest dialogue. Assuming that\u2019s something they would welcome anyway. So let\u2019s deal with this criticism here: why does Above the Law in 2025 mostly render scorn on the Trump administration and its Federalist Society minions?<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s a lot to be said, but the short version is that \u2014 as writers and lawyers \u2014 we have dual ethical hangups about stopping mid-article to say, \u201cBut on the other hand, consider the upsides of disappearing citizens into foreign slave camps\u2026.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>The Onion, as usual, best captures the \u201cdebate\u201d these people want \u2014 <a href=\"https:\/\/theonion.com\/historians-quibbling-over-exact-definition-of-concentration-camp-sign-of-healthy-society\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Historians: Quibbling Over Exact Definition Of Concentration Camp Sign Of Healthy Society<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>As I often quote, Hunter S. Thompson said everything that needed to be said on the subject of objective journalism: \u201cDon\u2019t bother to look for it here\u2014not under any byline of mine.\u201d It\u2019s not \u201cneutrality,\u201d it\u2019s an invitation for bad actors to launder talking points under the guise of \u201cbalance.\u201d Our job is to tell it as it is based on what we\u2019ve learned, not give audiences competing press releases about what reality might be. And as lawyers we have obligations not to <em>facilitate or effectuate<\/em> efforts to undermine the rule of law. If a law school professor wouldn\u2019t have entertained this shit on a final exam, why should we platform it in a news cycle?<\/p>\n<p>That might be a lot of high-minded principled talk for an author who also writes about <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/bringing-new-meaning-to-solo-practitioner-attorney-warned-after-streaming-60-hours-of-porn-at-work\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">lawyers streaming porn in their offices<\/a>, but I\u2019d rather be <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2020\/06\/is-this-attorney-naked-during-a-criminal-hearing\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">making fun of lawyers going to hearings naked<\/a> while grounded in these principles than being so <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/biglaw-is-under-attack-heres-what-the-firms-are-doing-about-it\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">adrift from any core value<\/a> that I\u2019d turn my pro bono practice over to the <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/pray-i-dont-alter-it-any-further-what-darth-vader-should-teach-law-firms-about-settling-with-trump\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">ever-one-upping whims<\/a> of a tinpot dictator.<\/p>\n<p>Look, when I started writing for Above the Law, there\u2019s an argument that the two most thoroughly and reliably right-wing judges in the federal judiciary were the Fourth Circuit\u2019s J. Harvie Wilkinson III and J. Michael Luttig.<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday, <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/fourth-circuit-to-doj-bro-do-you-even-law\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Wilkinson threw a Molotov cocktail on the Trump administration\u2019s deportation regime<\/a>, not even waiting for the plaintiff to file papers before dropping a withering broadside against the head of the party that appointed him.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Judge Wilkinson was the judge who saw no problem holding enemy combatants indefinitely without access to lawyers or judicial review \u2014 a ruling that Scalia and Rehnquist both considered wild executive overreach. The same guy wants to make it very clear that Trump\u2019s policy shocks \u201cthe intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Luttig has gone even further! A judge who mentored a generation of hardline conservative clerks \u2014 including Solicitors General in both Trump administrations and <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2022\/06\/everyone-thought-john-eastman-was-crazy-and-just-kind-of-let-him-do-it-anyway\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">coup-coup-ca-choo lawyer John Eastman<\/a> \u2014 is now a go-to expert for the #resistance. He said <em>this week<\/em>: \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/04\/conservative-judge-doesnt-pull-punches\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">The President of the United States of America is at war with the Constitution and the rule of law<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Those were the furthest right-wing judges I could think of back in the day!<\/p>\n<p>And it\u2019s not just the judiciary. David Brooks is out here <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/04\/17\/opinion\/trump-harvard-law-firms.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">citing the Communist Manifesto<\/a> and floating a mass uprising! Paul Clement is <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/03\/wilmerhale-strikes-back-with-paul-clement-lawsuit-over-retaliatory-trump-order\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">defending law firms against Trump\u2019s authoritarian demands<\/a>. The <em>National Review<\/em> \u2014 THE NATIONAL FRIGGIN\u2019 REVIEW \u2014 is writing \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nationalreview.com\/carnival-of-fools\/trump-tests-the-true-limits-of-presidential-power\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">A test of the rule of law is coming. It is not enough to write about this phenomenon with clinical detachment; it must be opposed<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>George W. Bush\u2019s strongest warriors are talking tougher about stopping Trump than Chuck Schumer. The same folks who gave us Gitmo and WMD scavenger hunts are now the last line of defense for <em>habeas corpus<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s your bipartisanship. That\u2019s the \u201cboth sides\u201d right now. They just happen to be all lined up against the same guy. If you\u2019re still out here asking me to present \u201cthe other side,\u201d you\u2019re not interested in hearing from the intellectual opposition, you just want a platform for a paranoid, extralegal clown show careening toward despotism. <\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong><em><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-443318\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/abovethelaw.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/Headshot-300x200.jpg?resize=192%2C128&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Headshot\" width=\"192\" height=\"128\" title=\"\"><a href=\"http:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/author\/joe-patrice\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Joe Patrice<\/a>\u00a0is a senior editor at Above the Law and co-host of <a href=\"http:\/\/legaltalknetwork.com\/podcasts\/thinking-like-a-lawyer\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Thinking Like A Lawyer<\/a>. Feel free to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/cdn-cgi\/l\/email-protection#97fdf8f2e7f6e3e5fef4f2d7f6f5f8e1f2e3fff2fbf6e0b9f4f8fa\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">email<\/a> any tips, questions, or comments. Follow him on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/josephpatrice\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Twitter<\/a>\u00a0or <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/joepatrice.bsky.social\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Bluesky<\/a> if you\u2019re interested in law, politics, and a healthy dose of college sports news. Joe also serves as a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rpnexecsearch.com\/josephpatrice\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Managing Director at RPN Executive Search<\/a>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Every so often, someone pings the tipster line and asks some variant of, \u201cWhy aren\u2019t you more bipartisan?\u201d Many times this is couched in a stream of expletives. 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