{"id":122455,"date":"2025-06-09T10:02:37","date_gmt":"2025-06-09T18:02:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/2025\/06\/09\/how-brent-dyer-reframes-biglaw-and-what-in-house-counsel-should-expect-instead\/"},"modified":"2025-06-09T10:02:37","modified_gmt":"2025-06-09T18:02:37","slug":"how-brent-dyer-reframes-biglaw-and-what-in-house-counsel-should-expect-instead","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/2025\/06\/09\/how-brent-dyer-reframes-biglaw-and-what-in-house-counsel-should-expect-instead\/","title":{"rendered":"How Brent Dyer Reframes Biglaw, And What In-House Counsel Should Expect Instead"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In my experience, few moments feel as disorienting as receiving a hefty law firm invoice that reads like a puzzle and realizing no one\u2019s available to explain it. That\u2019s not luxury, that\u2019s just expensive confusion.<\/p>\n<p>If that sounds familiar, you\u2019ll want to hear more from Brent Dyer, director of legal operations at Trend Micro. In our full conversation, Brent breaks down what outside counsel should really be delivering, and how in-house teams can raise their expectations. Check it out here:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<p><strong>Redefining What We\u2019re Paying For<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Brent\u2019s core message is clear: just because something costs a lot doesn\u2019t mean it delivers value. Many law firms pitch themselves as luxury providers, but the in-house experience tells a different story. What\u2019s being sold as high-touch service often translates into poor communication, delayed billing, and rigid engagement models that ignore what the client actually needs.<\/p>\n<p>This isn\u2019t just philosophical. Brent\u2019s insights give in-house lawyers a practical framework to evaluate firms and take control of the relationship.<\/p>\n<p><strong>3 Things To Expect \u2014 And Demand<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re managing outside counsel, here are three areas where you can and should set higher expectations:<\/p>\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Billing that saves you time, not creates more work.<\/strong> Push for itemized, timely, and clear billing. If your firm takes months to send an invoice or if you\u2019re doing the cleanup they should have done, speak up. Brent suggests making timely, clean billing a non-negotiable part of your engagement.<\/li>\n<li><strong>A clear understanding of your legal and business goals.<\/strong> Don\u2019t let outside counsel assume what you want. Build in a 30- to 45-minute alignment call before each matter kicks off. Have them repeat back your objectives in writing. Brent has seen this one step turn an engagement from reactive to results-driven.<\/li>\n<li><strong>A reliable channel for feedback and escalation.<\/strong> If you\u2019ve ever flagged a concern that goes nowhere \u2014 or worse, triggers defensiveness \u2014 you\u2019re not alone. Brent recommends asking upfront who you can talk to if something goes wrong. Treat this like vendor management, not a favor you\u2019re asking.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><strong>For Legal Operators: Build Better Expectations Into The System<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re in legal ops, take this further by institutionalizing these expectations. Add billing accuracy metrics to your firm scorecards. Include matter kickoff questions that capture business goals in plain language. Create a simple feedback form clients can use post-matter.<\/p>\n<p>And if a firm refuses to align on these basics? You know what to do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Real Luxury: Being Heard And Understood<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Brent\u2019s final takeaway? \u201cFind your inner assertiveness and enjoy it. Don\u2019t feel guilty about it.\u201d When a firm treats you like you\u2019re too small to matter, remind them that every big client once started small. Respect is not a reward, it\u2019s a requirement.<\/p>\n<p>As in-house lawyers, we are not just cost centers or inboxes to be managed. We are the client. And that means we get to define what good service looks like.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Your Turn<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>How are you setting expectations with outside counsel? What practices have worked best for you \u2014 or completely backfired? Share your tips, stories, or even your favorite intake forms. Let\u2019s keep building a smarter way to partner with the firms we rely on.<\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\">\n<p><strong><em>Olga V. Mack\u00a0is a Fellow at CodeX, The Stanford Center for Legal Informatics, and a Generative AI Editor at law.MIT. Olga embraces legal innovation and had dedicated her career to improving and shaping the future of law. She is convinced that the legal profession will emerge even stronger, more resilient, and more inclusive than before by embracing technology. Olga is also an award-winning general counsel, operations professional, startup advisor, public speaker, adjunct professor, and entrepreneur. She authored\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Get-Board-Earning-Ticket-Corporate\/dp\/1949991407\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><em>Get on Board: Earning Your Ticket to a Corporate Board Seat<\/em><\/strong><\/a><strong><em>,\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Fundamentals-Smart-Contract-Security-Richard-ebook\/dp\/B07S8YF27G\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><em>Fundamentals of Smart Contract Security<\/em><\/strong><\/a><strong>, and\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Blockchain-Value-Transforming-Business-Communities\/dp\/1952538246\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><em><strong>Blockchain Value: Transforming Business Models, Society, and Communities<\/strong><\/em><\/a><strong><em>.\u00a0She is working on three books:\u00a0Visual IQ for Lawyers (ABA 2024),\u00a0The Rise of Product Lawyers: An Analytical Framework to Systematically Advise Your Clients Throughout the Product Lifecycle (Globe Law and Business 2024), and Legal Operations in the Age of AI and Data (Globe Law and Business 2024). You can follow Olga on\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/olgamack\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><em>LinkedIn<\/em><\/strong><\/a><strong><em>\u00a0and Twitter @olgavmack.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The post <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/06\/how-brent-dyer-reframes-biglaw-and-what-in-house-counsel-should-expect-instead\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">How Brent Dyer Reframes Biglaw, And What In-House Counsel Should Expect Instead<\/a> appeared first on <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Above the Law<\/a>.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"post-single__featured-image post-single__featured-image--medium alignright\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/abovethelaw.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/10\/money-question-mark-value-valuation-300x169.jpg?resize=300%2C169&#038;ssl=1\" class=\"attachment-medium size-medium wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" title=\"\"><\/figure>\n<p>In my experience, few moments feel as disorienting as receiving a hefty law firm invoice that reads like a puzzle and realizing no one\u2019s available to explain it. That\u2019s not luxury, that\u2019s just expensive confusion.<\/p>\n<p>If that sounds familiar, you\u2019ll want to hear more from Brent Dyer, director of legal operations at Trend Micro. In our full conversation, Brent breaks down what outside counsel should really be delivering, and how in-house teams can raise their expectations. Check it out here:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/QOrb2rmpe8c?start=1&amp;feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"> <\/iframe><\/figure>\n<p><strong>Redefining What We\u2019re Paying For<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Brent\u2019s core message is clear: just because something costs a lot doesn\u2019t mean it delivers value. Many law firms pitch themselves as luxury providers, but the in-house experience tells a different story. What\u2019s being sold as high-touch service often translates into poor communication, delayed billing, and rigid engagement models that ignore what the client actually needs.<\/p>\n<p>This isn\u2019t just philosophical. Brent\u2019s insights give in-house lawyers a practical framework to evaluate firms and take control of the relationship.<\/p>\n<p><strong>3 Things To Expect \u2014 And Demand<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re managing outside counsel, here are three areas where you can and should set higher expectations:<\/p>\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Billing that saves you time, not creates more work.<\/strong> Push for itemized, timely, and clear billing. If your firm takes months to send an invoice or if you\u2019re doing the cleanup they should have done, speak up. Brent suggests making timely, clean billing a non-negotiable part of your engagement.<\/li>\n<li><strong>A clear understanding of your legal and business goals.<\/strong> Don\u2019t let outside counsel assume what you want. Build in a 30- to 45-minute alignment call before each matter kicks off. Have them repeat back your objectives in writing. Brent has seen this one step turn an engagement from reactive to results-driven.<\/li>\n<li><strong>A reliable channel for feedback and escalation.<\/strong> If you\u2019ve ever flagged a concern that goes nowhere \u2014 or worse, triggers defensiveness \u2014 you\u2019re not alone. Brent recommends asking upfront who you can talk to if something goes wrong. Treat this like vendor management, not a favor you\u2019re asking.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><strong>For Legal Operators: Build Better Expectations Into The System<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re in legal ops, take this further by institutionalizing these expectations. Add billing accuracy metrics to your firm scorecards. Include matter kickoff questions that capture business goals in plain language. Create a simple feedback form clients can use post-matter.<\/p>\n<p>And if a firm refuses to align on these basics? You know what to do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Real Luxury: Being Heard And Understood<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Brent\u2019s final takeaway? \u201cFind your inner assertiveness and enjoy it. Don\u2019t feel guilty about it.\u201d When a firm treats you like you\u2019re too small to matter, remind them that every big client once started small. Respect is not a reward, it\u2019s a requirement.<\/p>\n<p>As in-house lawyers, we are not just cost centers or inboxes to be managed. We are the client. And that means we get to define what good service looks like.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Your Turn<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>How are you setting expectations with outside counsel? What practices have worked best for you \u2014 or completely backfired? Share your tips, stories, or even your favorite intake forms. Let\u2019s keep building a smarter way to partner with the firms we rely on.<\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" \/>\n<p><strong><em>Olga V. Mack\u00a0is a Fellow at CodeX, The Stanford Center for Legal Informatics, and a Generative AI Editor at law.MIT. Olga embraces legal innovation and had dedicated her career to improving and shaping the future of law. She is convinced that the legal profession will emerge even stronger, more resilient, and more inclusive than before by embracing technology. Olga is also an award-winning general counsel, operations professional, startup advisor, public speaker, adjunct professor, and entrepreneur. She authored\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Get-Board-Earning-Ticket-Corporate\/dp\/1949991407\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><em>Get on Board: Earning Your Ticket to a Corporate Board Seat<\/em><\/strong><\/a><strong><em>,\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Fundamentals-Smart-Contract-Security-Richard-ebook\/dp\/B07S8YF27G\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><em>Fundamentals of Smart Contract Security<\/em><\/strong><\/a><strong>, and\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Blockchain-Value-Transforming-Business-Communities\/dp\/1952538246\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><em><strong>Blockchain Value: Transforming Business Models, Society, and Communities<\/strong><\/em><\/a><strong><em>.\u00a0She is working on three books:\u00a0Visual IQ for Lawyers (ABA 2024),\u00a0The Rise of Product Lawyers: An Analytical Framework to Systematically Advise Your Clients Throughout the Product Lifecycle (Globe Law and Business 2024), and Legal Operations in the Age of AI and Data (Globe Law and Business 2024). You can follow Olga on\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/olgamack\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><em>LinkedIn<\/em><\/strong><\/a><strong><em>\u00a0and Twitter @olgavmack.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In my experience, few moments feel as disorienting as receiving a hefty law firm invoice that reads like a puzzle and realizing no one\u2019s available to explain it. That\u2019s not luxury, that\u2019s just expensive confusion. If that sounds familiar, you\u2019ll want to hear more from Brent Dyer, director of legal operations at Trend Micro. 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