{"id":143794,"date":"2026-02-10T16:37:08","date_gmt":"2026-02-11T00:37:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/2026\/02\/10\/ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean\/"},"modified":"2026-02-10T16:37:08","modified_gmt":"2026-02-11T00:37:08","slug":"ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/2026\/02\/10\/ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean\/","title":{"rendered":"OK, We Need To Talk About What These Kathryn Ruemmler\/Jeffrey Epstein Emails Really Mean"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/01\/goldmans-top-lawyer-in-the-spotlight-thanks-to-epstein-ties\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">relationship<\/a> between Goldman Sachs\u2019s top lawyer, Kathryn Ruemmler, and the late sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein is no longer something you can politely describe as \u201cunfortunate optics.\u201d The latest dump of Epstein files reveals thousands of communications between the two, and they paint a picture, not of arm\u2019s-length professionalism, but of questionable coziness from someone whose literal job description is reputational risk.<\/p>\n<p>Ruemmler isn\u2019t some inexperienced legal rube who brushed elbows with a toxic client once upon a time. She is the top attorney at Goldman (chief legal officer and general counsel), a member of the management committee, head of the firmwide conduct committee, and co-vice chair of the reputational risk committee. Avoiding the sort of reputational damage that could arise from blurring professional and friendly relations with a toxic client isn\u2019t just expected; it\u2019s the whole job. Which makes <a href=\"\/\/www.justice.gov\/epstein\/files\/DataSet%2011\/EFTA02563658.pdf\">emails calling Epstein \u201csweetie\u201d<\/a> while advising him on sexual misconduct allegations feel less like a lapse and more like a flashing red warning light.<\/p>\n<p>Then there are the <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/jeffrey-epstein-biglaw-career-counselor\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">pricy gifts<\/a> from Epstein \u2014 a $9,400 Herm\u00e8s bag, a $4,200 Fendi fur-trimmed plaid wool coat, and a $1,700 Fendi bag amongst them. And she dutifully thanked her \u201cUncle Jeffrey\u201d for the largesse. Now, a spokesperson said, \u201cMs. Ruemmler didn\u2019t ask for anything and didn\u2019t want anything,\u201d which may well be true, but surely it\u2019s obvious that the excessive gifts, and referring to Epstein as family (she also referred to him as an \u201colder brother\u201d in another exchange) is not exactly a master class in character evaluation.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s worth noting at this point that Goldman CEO David Solomon has, thus far, stood by Ruemmler, even <a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2026\/02\/04\/business\/epstein-emails-about-goldmans-kathryn-ruemmler-spark-internal-drama-at-bank-report\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">in the face<\/a> of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2026-02-03\/goldman-defense-of-lawyer-s-epstein-ties-provokes-unease-at-bank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">unease at the bank<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Ruemmler herself has offered the now-familiar Epstein defense, \u201cI was a defense attorney when I dealt with Jeffrey Epstein. I got to know him as a lawyer and that was the foundation of my relationship with him. I had no knowledge of any ongoing criminal conduct on his part, and I did not know him as the monster he has been revealed to be.\u201d\u00a0Fine. But that framing gets harder to swallow when the same communications show her venturing beyond legal advice and seeking Epstein\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/jeffrey-epstein-biglaw-career-counselor\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">career insights<\/a>, joking about \u201ctrading\u201d one of Epstein\u2019s \u201cRussians\u201d for a better compensation package, and turning to him for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/us-news\/law\/when-the-fbi-arrested-epstein-he-called-kathryn-ruemmler-39f7bf73\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">personal guidance<\/a>. These aren\u2019t the hallmarks of a strictly professional relationship.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2026\/02\/06\/business\/jeffrey-epstein-suggested-top-lawyer-kathryn-ruemmler-advocate-for-him-to-melinda-gates-give-her-the-other-side\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">More emails<\/a> reinforce that impression. Epstein described Ruemmler as \u201can arch feminist who is my great defender,\u201d someone who could show skeptics like Melinda Gates \u201cthe other side of [J]effrey.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Of this latest revelation, a spokesperson said, \u201cMs. Ruemmler had no control over how Epstein characterized her or their interactions. She was not his defender. She never advocated on his behalf with any third party \u2014 not Melinda Gates, not the press, not a court, not a government official.\u201d That may be so. But it\u2019s also beside the point. Epstein\u2019s entire enterprise relied on cultivating powerful, credible people who lent him legitimacy simply by being close. You don\u2019t have to file motions for a predator to be useful to one.<\/p>\n<p>Remember, at the time of all these interactions, Epstein was already a registered sex offender! When dealing with the criminal element \u2014 especially a guy who served time for procuring a child for prostitution \u2014 it should at least cross one\u2019s mind that you might be dealing with a manipulator. The price Ruemmler paid for all these fancy gifts was the legitimacy Epstein sought from cultivating a relationship with one of the most highly credentialed attorneys in the nation.<\/p>\n<p>Grooming isn\u2019t just about sex, it\u2019s how predators see the whole world.<\/p>\n<p>That lack of accountability is on full display in a jaw-dropping comment a Ruemmler spokesperson made. A spokesperson <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/a07bb45d-512f-4694-9ce1-355b78131937\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">told the Financial Times<\/a>, \u201cIt is despicable to single out and attack a highly respected female professional simply because of her benign interactions with Jeffrey Epstein.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m sorry but that statement broke my brain a little bit. The thing that was actually despicable was Epstein\u2019s criminal conduct \u2014 and the web of elite enablers that allowed it to persist for decades. You can\u2019t wave the specter of misogyny just because there\u2019s finally a whiff of accountability.<\/p>\n<p>Brad Karp is <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/brad-karps-paul-weiss-reign-ends-with-an-epstein-file-plot-twist\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">no longer the chair<\/a> of Paul Weiss! Alan Dershowitz has been repeatedly <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/paul-weiss-partner-wrote-epstein-on-sex-laws-but-was-just-passing-along-advice-from-alan-dershowitz\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">put under a microscope<\/a> for his relationship with Epstein! Donald Trump\u2019s involvement with Epstein is the top political news story in the world! No one is looking to single out a woman here. And I can assure you that if other prominent attorneys are discovered in the Epstein files, Above the Law will be writing about it (<a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/above-the-law-is-in-the-epstein-files-let-us-explain\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">even if it\u2019s us<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s galling that Ruemmler is taking this position in a vain attempt to get the heat off of her. This is the same Ruemmler who, in emails with Epstein, scoffed at diversity concerns, writing \u201cI ain\u2019t no affirmative action\u201d when discussing a potential job opportunity. (Which, tbh, has big pick-me-girl energy.) Now we\u2019re supposed to accept that it\u2019s \u201cdespicable\u201d to scrutinize a \u201chighly respected female professional\u201d for maintaining an unusually warm relationship with this guy? Equity isn\u2019t a shield you can wield when the questions get uncomfortable.<\/p>\n<p>Goldman is standing by Ruemmler for now. But the Epstein files have a way of turning \u201cbenign interactions\u201d into something much harder to explain, especially for someone whose job is supposed to be knowing better.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong><em><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-80083 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/abovethelaw.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/06\/IMG_5243-1-scaled-e1623338814705-620x568.jpg?resize=174%2C160&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"174\" height=\"160\" title=\"\">Kathryn Rubino is a Senior Editor at Above the Law, host of <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/1XC11QhFCWxWr4NQrk2sEA\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The Jabot podcast<\/a>, and co-host of <a href=\"https:\/\/legaltalknetwork.com\/podcasts\/thinking-like-a-lawyer\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Thinking Like A Lawyer<\/a>. AtL tipsters are the best, so please connect with her. Feel free to email <a href=\"mailto:kathryn@abovethelaw.com?subject=Your%20Column\" target='_blank\"' rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">her<\/a> with any tips, questions, or comments and follow her on Twitter <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean\/%E2%80%9C\/\/twitter.com\/Kathryn1%22%E2%80%9D\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">@Kathryn1<\/a>\u00a0or Mastodon <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">@Kathryn1@mastodon.social.<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The post <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">OK, We Need To Talk About What These Kathryn Ruemmler\/Jeffrey Epstein Emails Really Mean<\/a> appeared first on <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Above the Law<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/01\/goldmans-top-lawyer-in-the-spotlight-thanks-to-epstein-ties\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">relationship<\/a> between Goldman Sachs\u2019s top lawyer, Kathryn Ruemmler, and the late sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein is no longer something you can politely describe as \u201cunfortunate optics.\u201d The latest dump of Epstein files reveals thousands of communications between the two, and they paint a picture, not of arm\u2019s-length professionalism, but of questionable coziness from someone whose literal job description is reputational risk.<\/p>\n<p>Ruemmler isn\u2019t some inexperienced legal rube who brushed elbows with a toxic client once upon a time. She is the top attorney at Goldman (chief legal officer and general counsel), a member of the management committee, head of the firmwide conduct committee, and co-vice chair of the reputational risk committee. Avoiding the sort of reputational damage that could arise from blurring professional and friendly relations with a toxic client isn\u2019t just expected; it\u2019s the whole job. Which makes <a href=\"\/\/www.justice.gov\/epstein\/files\/DataSet%2011\/EFTA02563658.pdf\">emails calling Epstein \u201csweetie\u201d<\/a> while advising him on sexual misconduct allegations feel less like a lapse and more like a flashing red warning light.<\/p>\n<p>Then there are the <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/jeffrey-epstein-biglaw-career-counselor\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">pricy gifts<\/a> from Epstein \u2014 a $9,400 Herm\u00e8s bag, a $4,200 Fendi fur-trimmed plaid wool coat, and a $1,700 Fendi bag amongst them. And she dutifully thanked her \u201cUncle Jeffrey\u201d for the largesse. Now, a spokesperson said, \u201cMs. Ruemmler didn\u2019t ask for anything and didn\u2019t want anything,\u201d which may well be true, but surely it\u2019s obvious that the excessive gifts, and referring to Epstein as family (she also referred to him as an \u201colder brother\u201d in another exchange) is not exactly a master class in character evaluation.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s worth noting at this point that Goldman CEO David Solomon has, thus far, stood by Ruemmler, even <a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2026\/02\/04\/business\/epstein-emails-about-goldmans-kathryn-ruemmler-spark-internal-drama-at-bank-report\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">in the face<\/a> of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2026-02-03\/goldman-defense-of-lawyer-s-epstein-ties-provokes-unease-at-bank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">unease at the bank<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Ruemmler herself has offered the now-familiar Epstein defense, \u201cI was a defense attorney when I dealt with Jeffrey Epstein. I got to know him as a lawyer and that was the foundation of my relationship with him. I had no knowledge of any ongoing criminal conduct on his part, and I did not know him as the monster he has been revealed to be.\u201d\u00a0Fine. But that framing gets harder to swallow when the same communications show her venturing beyond legal advice and seeking Epstein\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/jeffrey-epstein-biglaw-career-counselor\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">career insights<\/a>, joking about \u201ctrading\u201d one of Epstein\u2019s \u201cRussians\u201d for a better compensation package, and turning to him for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/us-news\/law\/when-the-fbi-arrested-epstein-he-called-kathryn-ruemmler-39f7bf73\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">personal guidance<\/a>. These aren\u2019t the hallmarks of a strictly professional relationship.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2026\/02\/06\/business\/jeffrey-epstein-suggested-top-lawyer-kathryn-ruemmler-advocate-for-him-to-melinda-gates-give-her-the-other-side\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">More emails<\/a> reinforce that impression. Epstein described Ruemmler as \u201can arch feminist who is my great defender,\u201d someone who could show skeptics like Melinda Gates \u201cthe other side of [J]effrey.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Of this latest revelation, a spokesperson said, \u201cMs. Ruemmler had no control over how Epstein characterized her or their interactions. She was not his defender. She never advocated on his behalf with any third party \u2014 not Melinda Gates, not the press, not a court, not a government official.\u201d That may be so. But it\u2019s also beside the point. Epstein\u2019s entire enterprise relied on cultivating powerful, credible people who lent him legitimacy simply by being close. You don\u2019t have to file motions for a predator to be useful to one.<\/p>\n<p>Remember, at the time of all these interactions, Epstein was already a registered sex offender! When dealing with the criminal element \u2014 especially a guy who served time for procuring a child for prostitution \u2014 it should at least cross one\u2019s mind that you might be dealing with a manipulator. The price Ruemmler paid for all these fancy gifts was the legitimacy Epstein sought from cultivating a relationship with one of the most highly credentialed attorneys in the nation.<\/p>\n<p>Grooming isn\u2019t just about sex, it\u2019s how predators see the whole world.<\/p>\n<p>That lack of accountability is on full display in a jaw-dropping comment a Ruemmler spokesperson made. A spokesperson <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/a07bb45d-512f-4694-9ce1-355b78131937\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">told the Financial Times<\/a>, \u201cIt is despicable to single out and attack a highly respected female professional simply because of her benign interactions with Jeffrey Epstein.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m sorry but that statement broke my brain a little bit. The thing that was actually despicable was Epstein\u2019s criminal conduct \u2014 and the web of elite enablers that allowed it to persist for decades. You can\u2019t wave the specter of misogyny just because there\u2019s finally a whiff of accountability.<\/p>\n<p>Brad Karp is <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/brad-karps-paul-weiss-reign-ends-with-an-epstein-file-plot-twist\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">no longer the chair<\/a> of Paul Weiss! Alan Dershowitz has been repeatedly <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/paul-weiss-partner-wrote-epstein-on-sex-laws-but-was-just-passing-along-advice-from-alan-dershowitz\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">put under a microscope<\/a> for his relationship with Epstein! Donald Trump\u2019s involvement with Epstein is the top political news story in the world! No one is looking to single out a woman here. And I can assure you that if other prominent attorneys are discovered in the Epstein files, Above the Law will be writing about it (<a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/above-the-law-is-in-the-epstein-files-let-us-explain\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">even if it\u2019s us<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s galling that Ruemmler is taking this position in a vain attempt to get the heat off of her. This is the same Ruemmler who, in emails with Epstein, scoffed at diversity concerns, writing \u201cI ain\u2019t no affirmative action\u201d when discussing a potential job opportunity. (Which, tbh, has big pick-me-girl energy.) Now we\u2019re supposed to accept that it\u2019s \u201cdespicable\u201d to scrutinize a \u201chighly respected female professional\u201d for maintaining an unusually warm relationship with this guy? Equity isn\u2019t a shield you can wield when the questions get uncomfortable.<\/p>\n<p>Goldman is standing by Ruemmler for now. But the Epstein files have a way of turning \u201cbenign interactions\u201d into something much harder to explain, especially for someone whose job is supposed to be knowing better.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong><em><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-80083 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/abovethelaw.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/06\/IMG_5243-1-scaled-e1623338814705-620x568.jpg?resize=174%2C160&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"174\" height=\"160\" title=\"\">Kathryn Rubino is a Senior Editor at Above the Law, host of <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/1XC11QhFCWxWr4NQrk2sEA\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The Jabot podcast<\/a>, and co-host of <a href=\"https:\/\/legaltalknetwork.com\/podcasts\/thinking-like-a-lawyer\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Thinking Like A Lawyer<\/a>. AtL tipsters are the best, so please connect with her. Feel free to email <a href=\"mailto:kathryn@abovethelaw.com?subject=Your%20Column\" target='_blank\"' rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">her<\/a> with any tips, questions, or comments and follow her on Twitter <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean\/%E2%80%9C\/\/twitter.com\/Kathryn1%22%E2%80%9D\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">@Kathryn1<\/a>\u00a0or Mastodon <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">@Kathryn1@mastodon.social.<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The post <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2026\/02\/ok-we-need-to-talk-about-what-these-kathryn-ruemmler-jeffrey-epstein-emails-really-mean\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">OK, We Need To Talk About What These Kathryn Ruemmler\/Jeffrey Epstein Emails Really Mean<\/a> appeared first on <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Above the Law<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The relationship between Goldman Sachs\u2019s top lawyer, Kathryn Ruemmler, and the late sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein is no longer something you can politely describe as \u201cunfortunate optics.\u201d The latest dump of Epstein files reveals thousands of communications between the two, and they paint a picture, not of arm\u2019s-length professionalism, but of questionable coziness from someone [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":143795,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-143794","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-above_the_law"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/xira.com\/p\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/IMG_5243-1-scaled-e1623338814705-620x568-VhiXUm.jpg?fit=620%2C568&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/143794","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=143794"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/143794\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/143795"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=143794"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=143794"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/xira.com\/p\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=143794"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}